Month: April 2017

Traveling in the Deep with Alton Gansky

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Alton Gansky Traveling in the Deep

43 – Traveling in the Deep with Alton Gansky

Too often we look at the deep as a bottomless hole that traps and immobilizes us. But, as Alton Gansky shares, we can learn to travel in the deep. To look on the deep places as part of this journey God has each of us on as writers and as individuals. And we can learn to travel the deep parts of the journey with wisdom and grace.

Show Notes

About Al…

Alton L. Gansky is the author of 24 novels, 5 novellas, 1 screenplay, and 11 nonfiction works, as well as principal writer of 9 novels and 2 nonfiction books. He has been a Christy Award finalist (A Ship Possessed) and an Angel Award winner (Terminal Justice) and recently received the ACFW award for best suspense/thriller for his work on Fallen Angel. He holds a BA and MA in biblical studies and was granted a Litt.D. He lives in central California with his wife.

He has hosted Writer’s Talk video podcast and is now cohost of Firsts in Fiction, a video podcast for up and coming writers—about the craft of fiction.

In addition to his own writing, Alton Gansky has consulted and provided editing/ writing services to several CBA publishers and written copy, video scripts, and other works for the general business market. Through Gansky Communications he has consulted with publishers and agents, as well as provided editing services. He is “the go to guy” for co-writing having been selected by Penguin, Waterbrook, Broadman Holman, and other publishers to work with their top tier authors.

Find out more about Alton at


Key quotes

What the deep means to Al…

Well, I imagine it has many different meanings for many different people based on their travels through life. For me, the deep has been very positive, and at times been very negative. It’s been something endured rather than embraced. And other times you’re forced to embrace it, and you see at the end why. I’m getting old now so I’ve lived long enough to have many scars and to learn from them, and to pass them on to anyone who will listen. Not the scars, but what I’ve learned about the scars.

I think the deep is part of the travel. We walk through darkness at times. A lot of people don’t realize there’s places in Scripture where God is described as light, but there are places where it says God moves in the darkness. And that’s sometimes where you find Him doing His best work.


On learning from difficult places…

What I’ve learned over the years of my life and in my years in ministry is that we are not promised that rose garden. If we do get the rose garden we get the thorns also. Many Christians think erroneously that if they become a Christian everything is going to be fine and there’s never going to be any challenges. I used to teach my people, well, they crucified Jesus and He lived a perfect life, so there’s a good chance you’re probably going to face some problems of your own.

Difficulty is the course of life…What you have to do is accept it and lean into it. The other option is to just stop moving forward or, well, you can’t even back out of the problem. Sometimes there’s nothing you can do to get away from it. Your only positive choice is to accept that place and lean into the problem. Move on, keep going, and do whatever it is you can do.


The deepest deep…

Some of the most remarkable things we will ever see are found in the deepest caves…The Lord doesn’t necessarily provide us with all the light we want. I always want more light. But I’m not sure I could handle more light, if I’m being honest here. But He gives us enough light…and then if you use that light you see remarkable things. That’s part of life’s journey.

We’re going to fall down. It doesn’t matter if we trip and fall. What matters is if we get up. That’s the only thing that counts. Falling doesn’t count. Getting up does.


Satisfaction in the deep…

I’m not trying to sugarcoat this. I don’t want people to think this is fun… There’s nothing fun about it. But the satisfaction comes from having been faithful through it.


What keeps Al going through writing struggles…

The first thing I do is quit. I encourage people to quit. The only proviso is you can’t stay quit. Quit as often as you want. But you can’t stay quit. Every once in a while it’s get up, walk out, I’m done. Career’s over. I’m going to find something else to do. And usually after a good night sleep I’m up and raring to go. And sometimes it takes a little longer.

I have my greatest satisfaction when I write. It’s also the toughest thing I do. Sometimes it’s hard to start and other times I’d rather go take a nap… as difficult as it is—and sometimes it’s like a root canal—I find even if I struggle through a difficult time, I will at the end of the day have greater satisfaction then if I did something else.


How Al started writing fiction…

As a pastor, I was called to the hospital for a child that fell out of a moving car… I walked into the children’s hospital, looked into a couple rooms and then noticed all I did for the rest of the walk was look at the linoleum floor. And the reason was it hurt too much to look from side to side. When I saw the other children there…it just ripped me to shreds… I did my work as a pastor and then went to the car with my head down. A huge sense of shame washed over me. I remember thinking I wish I had the gift of healing…I would go from hospital to hospital, sneak in, do this work of healing, and sneak out. And that became the book By My Hands. I asked myself this “what if” question. That was the first “what if” question I ever asked in writing.

Out of my shame came a desire to one, be better at what I do, and two, to tell the story of what these things might look like. And that launched my career.


On guilt…

The great theologian Erma Bombeck said guilt is the gift that keeps on giving. I think that’s one of the things I’ve learned in my life. Guilt isn’t fun but you might as well learn something from it, otherwise you’ve wasted a good guilt. If you have to go through that…you might as well learn from it. Otherwise it’s a waste… You don’t know who you’re going to be able to help by doing that.


On writing from painful experiences…

That’s what writing is. We draw from our experiences…for example when I was a young pastor and I’d be called on to talk to people who lost parents and stuff like that, I always felt kind of removed. I didn’t know. Then my mother died. And I knew.

That pain made me a better pastor. Next time I was called out to help somebody who lost a loved one, I’d walked the path… I now understood… And sometimes when we write that’s what we’re doing. We’re teaching other people what it’s like to go through those things even though they may not go through them. But that very pain you have yourself, if you open yourself up to it—and trust me I don’t like it—it will translate onto the page. That’s where peoples lives are touched, putting that kind of real life into the fiction or even the nonfiction.


Final words of wisdom…

Go ahead and give up. You can quit all you want, you just can’t stay quit. And that is a normal thing. That sense “I need to quit” is really a moment to step back and reflect. Don’t be surprised by that. Every writer I know goes through that. Every honest writer I know goes through that…When you come back you’re fresher. Your subconscious has been able to work. So yeah, it’s okay to quit. You just can’t stay quit.


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Immobilized in the deep? Alton Gansky talks about traveling the deep with wisdom and grace.

The Danger of Striving in the Deep

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Karen Ball and Erin Taylor Young The Danger of Striving in the Deep Write from the Deep Podcast
42 – The Danger of Striving in the Deep

Do you find yourself doing everything you can think of to “learn what I need to” and “get out!” of the deep? Then the odds are good that you’ve blown right by trust and dwelling with God and landed smack-dab in the middle of striving. But striving doesn’t help you when you’re in the deep. In fact, it works against you. Don’t believe us? Well, come join the discussion and find out why it’s dangerous to strive when you’re in the deep.

Show Notes

We’ve talked before about the most common reaction when we find ourselves in deep places, and that’s the drive to GET OUT! To escape the deep, to get back to where we’re doing well and feeling happy. But there’s another reaction that can be as counterproductive—and even dangerous—and that’s to strive while you’re in the deep.

What do we mean by that?

Webster’s defines striving as:

Making great efforts to achieve or obtain something


To struggle or fight vigorously

When you strive for something, it’s goes beyond just working hard or being determined to achieve it. It’s being focused, sometimes obsessively so on DOING. It’s trying so hard to do what’s right and best and most productive, to learn your lesson and get past whatever the struggle is, that you completely miss what this whole thing is about.


The Difference Between Striving and Enduring

Striving is about doing, about you figuring out what you need to do and jumping on it.

Enduring is about patience, dwelling with Christ, and trusting Him.

Following Christ, especially when you’re in the deep, is like being a foot soldier in the military. Wait to receive orders. Act only when the Commander says to act. Until then, rest. Train. Study. Focus on Him.

Rest in God

“So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God, for whoever has entered God’s rest has also rested from his works as God did from his. Let us therefore strive to enter that rest, so that no one may fall by the same sort of disobedience.” Hebrews 4:9-11

“Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.” Matthew 11:28-29


Study – Put our focus on God

2 Timothy 3:16 “All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness…”

Joshua 1:8 “Study this Book of Instruction continually. Meditate on it day and night so you will be sure to obey everything written in it. Only then will you prosper and succeed in all you do.”

  • Consider how many books, blogs, etc., you read on craft or on the business of writing. How many hours do you spend researching for your books? Do you spend an equal amount of time in God’s Word? If not, things are off-balance.

Psalm 119:15 “I will study your commandments and reflect on your ways.”

  • This goes beyond just reading the Word. We each need to dig deep, to study what God’s word is saying to us.

2 Timothy 2:7 Paul tells Timothy “Reflect on what I am saying, for the Lord will give you insight into all this.”

  • How often do we reflect? I mean literally just sit around and think about something we’ve just read?


Train Ourselves to Walk with God

“Praise be to the Lord my Rock, who trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle. He is my loving God and my fortress, my stronghold and my deliverer, my shield, in whom I take refuge, who subdues peoples under me.” Psalm 144:1

  • God is doing the work, the subduing, and yet David still needs training. He has a part to play.

1 Timothy 4:7b “…train yourself to be godly.”

Hebrews 5:12-14 “You have been believers so long now that you ought to be teaching others. Instead, you need someone to teach you again the basic things about God’s word. You are like babies who need milk and cannot eat solid food. For someone who lives on milk is still an infant and doesn’t know how to do what is right. Solid food is for those who are mature, who through training have the skill to distinguish good from evil.”

  • There is a danger to not training.
  • Be teachable. Keep your mind and heart open to God’s leading. Don’t resist if He tells you that you need to change directions, or consider something new and different than you thought. He is in control. Train yourself to know and respond to His voice, His guidance. Even if He’s taking you someplace you’re not sure you want to go. Remember, He’s been there ahead of you. He’s prepared the way for working His will and purpose within and through you. You’ll be amazed where He takes you when your heart and spirit are submitted to him.


The Bottom Line

Understand that this whole thing is in God’s hands, not our hands. That silent time in study and prayer isn’t sitting still, doing nothing—it’s waging the battle! We need to seek Him for every step. We are often willing to do that in the darkness, when we can’t see a thing around us. But do we trust Him and seek Him like that in the light? If not, why not? It’s His vision for us. Bringing it about isn’t on our shoulders but on His. We need to trust Him for every step we take.

“Because you have kept my word of patient endurance, I will keep you from the hour of trial that is coming on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth.” Revelation 3:10

“Dear brothers and sisters, when troubles of any kind come your way, consider it an opportunity for great joy. For you know that when your faith is tested, your endurance has a chance to grow. So let it grow, for when your endurance is fully developed, you will be perfect and complete, needing nothing.” James 1: 2-4

“He says, ‘Be still, and know that I am God; I will be exalted among the nations, I will be exalted in the earth.’ The Lord Almighty is with us; the God of Jacob is our fortress.” Psalm 46:10-11


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Have you found yourself striving in the deep?
What helps you focus on God?



Striving to escape the deep places in your life? Come find out why that’s a bad plan.